and we have fuddy- duddies here. >> the world is changing, mark. >> the world is changing, but cpac isn't. [laughter] this is a group that decided to end by donald trump and not chris christie and bob mcdonnell, both of whom apparently believe that government should do something. the cpac poll, which they kick at the feet of the meetin -- take at the end of the meeting, president steve forbes won, president jack kemp won three times -- >> ron paul. >> president george allen, who went on to lose two senate races in virginia. >> if the republicans want to become the permanent minority, they will listen to cpac. [laughter] i rise in defense of this libel the group is mostly young people, very enthusiastic, which is why rand probably has a bill, and i suspect it is more libertarian than the old fuddy-duddies. but the question of isolationism, what rand paul is advocating is different from what mccain and others and even rubio would advocate. but it has appeal and will be interesting to see if the foreign issues paul can carry the day. lois, three of us, mark, action,w ron paul in and wh